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Uncle George
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: TEXAS, Austin
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 11:45 am Post subject: Windshield performance |
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Started looking for a windshield I might like. I promise I read a bucket load of archives about windshields and feel like I just need to ask. Pardon me if I missed it somewhere.
I kinda like the looks of those windshields that extend out to cover your handgrips. I figure they would block more wind but also imagine that they would not slipstream as well as the smaller slim ones like the Spitfire and such. They look like they would be more easily messed up if you dropped the bike, BUT I WOULDN'T LET THIS INFLUENCE MY DECISION IN ANY WAY. Anyone out there have this type of shield? How does it do going down the highway? Wish you hadn't got it? Or do you just love it? Thanks. _________________ My escape pod and "Spartacus" http://home.earthlink.net/~g.teague/
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wheezeburnt Forum Moderator
Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Location: New Brunswick, Can.
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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Uncle george:
I have a plexifairing III on my CB900C. Its a BIG shield, with lowers that extend about 8" down the forks, and sweeps out to provide protection to the end of the handlebars. Overall, I really like it.
Pros: fantastic protection from bugs and rocks, cold and wind. Great in a rainstorm. I've set it up to just see over it, and it provides a fairly quiet environment behind it. Provides excellent wind protection up to about 120 mph (I chickened out at that point)
Cons: Its heavy, and catches a lot of wind from crosswinds. Its very hot in the summer; blocks TOO MUCH wind (I sometimes switch to a Spitfire off one of the other bikes for july and august). It mounts on the bars and forks, and generates a gentle undulation (slow-motion wobble) between 85 and 100 mph. This is likely unique to MY bike. The bike is faster with the Spitfire than with the Plexi.
HTH
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onu2002
Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Location: OHIO, Trenton
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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| Uncle George wrote: | | They look like they would be more easily messed up if you dropped the bike. | Are you planning to drop the bike? I wouldn't make that a factor in the decision if I were you. _________________ Tom
2002 Honda CMX250 Rebel (sold)
1986 Kawasaki ZG1000 Concours (sold)
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Uncle George
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: TEXAS, Austin
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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| onu2002 wrote: | | Uncle George wrote: | | They look like they would be more easily messed up if you dropped the bike. | Are you planning to drop the bike? I wouldn't make that a factor in the decision if I were you. |
Not in my plans, no.  _________________ My escape pod and "Spartacus" http://home.earthlink.net/~g.teague/ |
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MillenniumRebel
Joined: 25 Jul 2003 Location: INDIANApolis 2000 Rebel CMX-250 2003 Sportster XLH-883
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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| onu2002 wrote: | | Uncle George wrote: | | They look like they would be more easily messed up if you dropped the bike. | Are you planning to drop the bike? I wouldn't make that a factor in the decision if I were you. |
I made it a factor in my decision to get engine guards
and many times since have been grateful I did
no one PLANS to drop the bike
experienced riders know IT HAPPENS ANYWAY
it's the exact same reason to wear your safety gear
(you aren't planning to wreck are you ?) _________________
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onu2002
Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Location: OHIO, Trenton
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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| MillenniumRebel wrote: | | onu2002 wrote: | | Uncle George wrote: | | They look like they would be more easily messed up if you dropped the bike. | Are you planning to drop the bike? I wouldn't make that a factor in the decision if I were you. |
I made it a factor in my decision to get engine guards
and many times since have been grateful I did
no one PLANS to drop the bike
experienced riders know IT HAPPENS ANYWAY
it's the exact same reason to wear your safety gear
(you aren't planning to wreck are you ?) | I agree, but if you want the big windshield, get the big shield. If you want the small one, get the small one. I wouldn't consider the possibility of going down a factor in the decision. Sure, if you go down, a bigger shield would be more likely to get damaged. But you added YOURSELF to the motorcycle knowing that there's a possibility that YOU might get damaged, and a broken body is a lot more costly to repair/replace than a broken windshield. So go ahead and get the big shield.
In my opinion, not getting a big shield because it might get damaged in a crash is like not getting safety gear because it might get damaged in a crash. The benefit of these items far outweighs the cost of repairing/replacing them. _________________ Tom
2002 Honda CMX250 Rebel (sold)
1986 Kawasaki ZG1000 Concours (sold)
2002 Honda VT1100C3 Shadow Aero (sold)
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rnr262
Joined: 30 May 2005 Location: Texas, Fort Worth
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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I had a big shiled on my V Star and prefer it over the little Spitfire I have on the Rebel. The spitfiire is great in town, but I hate it on the interstate. It moves way too much, which is most likely operator error on instalation, but I can't seem to tighten it, secure it enough. _________________ 01 Vulcan 750
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Uncle George
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: TEXAS, Austin
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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| rnr262 wrote: | | I had a big shiled on my V Star and prefer it over the little Spitfire I have on the Rebel. The spitfiire is great in town, but I hate it on the interstate. It moves way too much, which is most likely operator error on instalation, but I can't seem to tighten it, secure it enough. |
So, would you like it if didn't move around so much, I mean if it could possibly be tightened up enough?
I was thinking that the Spitfire might be just a little small for the highway. It looks great though. I just don't want to end up buying one too big. I had seen one somewhere that looked a lot like the Spitfire but maybe a hair bigger but had the extended part that covered the handgrips. Didn't go down any lower than the bottom of the headlight. I think I saw it on MR's site. Looked like a sort of an in-between size. I think one of those full fairing things would slow the Rebel down noticably and be a handful with side gusts. _________________ My escape pod and "Spartacus" http://home.earthlink.net/~g.teague/ |
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Uncle George
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: TEXAS, Austin
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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| onu2002 wrote: | | MillenniumRebel wrote: | | onu2002 wrote: | | Uncle George wrote: | | They look like they would be more easily messed up if you dropped the bike. | Are you planning to drop the bike? I wouldn't make that a factor in the decision if I were you. |
I made it a factor in my decision to get engine guards
and many times since have been grateful I did
no one PLANS to drop the bike
experienced riders know IT HAPPENS ANYWAY
it's the exact same reason to wear your safety gear
(you aren't planning to wreck are you ?) | I agree, but if you want the big windshield, get the big shield. If you want the small one, get the small one. I wouldn't consider the possibility of going down a factor in the decision. Sure, if you go down, a bigger shield would be more likely to get damaged. But you added YOURSELF to the motorcycle knowing that there's a possibility that YOU might get damaged, and a broken body is a lot more costly to repair/replace than a broken windshield. So go ahead and get the big shield.
In my opinion, not getting a big shield because it might get damaged in a crash is like not getting safety gear because it might get damaged in a crash. The benefit of these items far outweighs the cost of repairing/replacing them. |
Whoa, wait a minute. I never said I wouldn't get a large shield because it would easily get messed up if the bike was dropped or whatever. I just stated a fact, which most would agree with, that it seemed obvious that if you dropped it, the extended parts would surely get tagged. I edited the post for you. There is no need for your concern. Thank you.  _________________ My escape pod and "Spartacus" http://home.earthlink.net/~g.teague/ |
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Duke Forum Administrator
Joined: 25 Jul 2003 Location: Georgia, Vidalia. Onion City and Beyond!
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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| Uncle George wrote: | | I kinda like the looks of those windshields that extend out to cover your handgrips. I figure they would block more wind but also imagine that they would not slipstream as well as the smaller slim ones |
That's not entirely true. They slip-stream 'differently,' yes, but it's apples and oranges. The smaller ones, for example, do less to deflect air around your shoulders and arms, which means that your 'slipstream' effect loses a great deal of effectiveness outside the line directly behind the shield.
The wider ones present more surface area for wind resistance. Ultimately, installation will determine the over-all effectiveness of either shield. Me personally, looks have always been secondary to comfort, but I'm a bug-eater anyway, so I can't really give you advice on a wind screen. I would caution you to consider the types of riding you do and the weather that you ride in when you make the decision. The larger windshield will offer more protection against windchill, but will also block more air at redlights on hot summer days.
There is a pro and a con to everything; decide what is the most important aspect to _you_, then go from there.
| Quote: | | Anyone out there have this type of shield? How does it do going down the highway? Wish you hadn't got it? Or do you just love it? Thanks. |
There are many, many people on this board who bought Spitfires from Jack, and so far most of them have been satisfied with them. However, I would be sure, were I simply collecting data, to find out if they have used other screens as well; an experienced comparison is going to be more valuable than a simple testimonial, no matter how emphatic. _________________
Duke
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rnr262
Joined: 30 May 2005 Location: Texas, Fort Worth
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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| Uncle George wrote: | | rnr262 wrote: | | I had a big shiled on my V Star and prefer it over the little Spitfire I have on the Rebel. The spitfiire is great in town, but I hate it on the interstate. It moves way too much, which is most likely operator error on instalation, but I can't seem to tighten it, secure it enough. |
So, would you like it if didn't move around so much, I mean if it could possibly be tightened up enough?
I was thinking that the Spitfire might be just a little small for the highway. It looks great though. I just don't want to end up buying one too big. I had seen one somewhere that looked a lot like the Spitfire but maybe a hair bigger but had the extended part that covered the handgrips. Didn't go down any lower than the bottom of the headlight. I think I saw it on MR's site. Looked like a sort of an in-between size. I think one of those full fairing things would slow the Rebel down noticably and be a handful with side gusts. |
It does look great, and in town, I'm thrilled with it! For the interstate, I think I just got spoiled with the larger windshield on the VStar. It blocks more wind/rocks/bugs etc. I've been looking into the Rifle Classic Windshied and will probably order it this week if I can convince myself it's something I can put on myself.
As far as if the Spitfire was on tighter, I don't think it would make much difference for me on the interstate. I like a bit more coverage. I do admit that the moving drives me NUTS. _________________ 01 Vulcan 750
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glw
Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Location: CA, Simi Valley
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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I have the Spitfire on my 250 and ride the freeway at 75 everyday. It works just fine. However, it uses a two point mounting so sometimes it does buffet a bit.
I recently put a National on my 450. It uses a four point mounting and is rock solid. p.s. I'm bad. I sometimes go 85 on the 450. _________________ GLW
2004 Rebel 250
1987 Rebel 450
1985 Magna 700 (project bike)
Where you look, there you shall go.
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wheezeburnt Forum Moderator
Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Location: New Brunswick, Can.
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:37 am Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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In my experience, it is impossible to install a two-point handlebar mounted small windshield like the spitfire and NOT have it wiggle at superlegal speeds. About the only way to avoid it is to install it at such an acute angle that the wind is buffetting your head.
RE: the issue of aerodynamics: I have about the largest windshield, short of a Vetter fairing, that you can put on a 900c. But, because of its aerodymamics, I get one of the highest mpg consistently of all the riders of 900s on the 900 forum. This no doubt has something to do with how I've tuned the bike and my riding style, but the dirty big windshield also plays a part in wind deflection, because I have old, boxlike Shoei hardbags and a huge mother Vetter topbox on the back, sitting so high you can only see my head and shoulders over it. Those airdams alone should move me closer to the bottom of the list.
So, as Duke suggests, don't try to correlate windshield surface area with air resistance. Shape is way more important.
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MillenniumRebel
Joined: 25 Jul 2003 Location: INDIANApolis 2000 Rebel CMX-250 2003 Sportster XLH-883
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:51 am Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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my 2 point mounted one doesn't move at speed
I suspect it might be a matter of brace angles and attachment points _________________
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BarryC
Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Location: Connecticut, Glastonbury
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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| I have the Spitfire from Jacks and like it a lot. It fits the Rebel nicely and gives me good protection from the wind. Granted, I do not have the knowledge or experience to compare it to other windshields, but it satisfies my needs. |
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xepath
Joined: 27 Feb 2005
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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We have a Spitfire on our Rebel, works pretty good at least my fiance likes it allot. It does move at highway speeds not much you can do about that. I have a Memphis shades Hellcat on my Vulcan 800, it is a handlebar mount 150 bucks or so, but the mounting hardware is all metal and it is larger than the Spitfire but not as big as the fork mounted shields. I think it would make a great Rebel shield for someone wanting more protection than the spitfire no, movement at even 90 ok a little at 90, and easy to mount, and much cheaper than huge shields. Check out the Hellcat by Memphis Shades. _________________ 2005 Honda Rebel Candy Orange (hers)
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clerkgal
Joined: 26 Apr 2004
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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I have the Spitfire and it does need to be tightened up from time to time. No biggie. I put a small piece of velcro on the tach to stop it from vibrating. (I Polish, give me a hammer and some duct tape and I go crazy!)
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Autumn
Joined: 05 Dec 2004 Location: California
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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Speaking of runny eye-liner I have a question....I've noticed that when I ride first thing in the morning and it's a wee chilly out, my eye-liner and mascara start to run, I've had that happen to me a few times, and since then I just don't ride first thing in the morning.....I wear my sunglasses, and my faceshield along with my helmet.....and my makeup still runs.....any helpfil advice?
Thanks!  _________________ Rebel on Wings |
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MillenniumRebel
Joined: 25 Jul 2003 Location: INDIANApolis 2000 Rebel CMX-250 2003 Sportster XLH-883
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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don't wear makeup when you ride ......... put it on when you get where you're going
or maybe wear moisture proof 'sport' makeup _________________
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glw
Joined: 13 Jul 2004 Location: CA, Simi Valley
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Windshield performance |
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My wife recently got permanent eyeliner. It will never run, essentially a tattoo. Boy, were her eyes puffed up for a week. _________________ GLW
2004 Rebel 250
1987 Rebel 450
1985 Magna 700 (project bike)
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